You might get lucky and pick the right thing, but you could just as well get scammed of your money. You mentioned the Ontario KNife Company briefly in the article. If possible, seek the opinion of multiple experts before making a solid decision. and took them with me when the auction was over. I used it for Scouting till 1968. The Camillus S1765P USAF Utility Knife Tobias Gibson 7.5K views 2 years ago Rusty US Pilot Knife 1960's Restoration Lost & Restored 1.2M views 1 year ago Five US Military Pocket Knives from. The blade is very sharp but has surface deterioration and the guard seems rather dull. Way cool! The knife was probably modified by a previous owner. When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. Beyond that I do not know if they were swapped out. There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. Currently, the military-grade Air Force Survival Knife is only manufactured and sold by the Ontario Knife Company. Don't know how durable or even if it is any good. Need help identifying camillus knife Riley12 Apr 16, 2014 Riley12 Guide Joined Jun 27, 2013 Messages 1,053 Likes 263 Location Florida Apr 16, 2014 #1 I bought this knife today, and was told it's a naval survival knife, because of the blue in the bottom, but it doesn't look like the naval survival knives. If you are interested in the Camillus M4 that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal Thus, this knife became obsolete for its original intended use when the majority of military aircraft incorporated composite materials. Hi. I attach a photo of the peened pommel that makes this 6" a 1960 model: Hi. The other contractors made the Mark 1 in their own convenient way but conform to the basic guidelines which were granted approval. knife that was adopted. I am about to show her this blog post and additionally rub it in a little! can be found quite regularly at just about any gun or knife show. Adolph Kastor, the founder of the Camillus cutlery company, came to the U.S.A at the age of 14. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. This design was accepted, and the military specifications documents were updated to reflect Marbles concept in MIL-K-8662A (04 November 1957). The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy. The stamping was kind of inconsistent from my research. Possibly, some may have had one issued to them while serving in the military. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring Some companies marked them and some did not. These knives should be professionally serviced by a These knives became popular with outdoorsman. It is WW II era and dual tang marked and etched. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. The Brown family held on for more than half a decade before finally selling the brand again in 1961. However, this was not the end of the aging Air Force Survival Knife. Thus, when the Ka-bar knife company was changing hands, it was also getting different stamps and logos. 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design I am 63 yo and have had this knife since I was a teenager. SKIP. Thanks for your response. I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. They is a lot more ingredients to the batch of pudding for these knives. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. The iconic design features of the knife, that have characterized its look, have remained unchanged since its inception. For all that good, though, some bad actors have learned how to make fake Camillus knives and pass them off as vintage. However, it was still adequate for survival situations and therefore remained in the Federal Supply System. Keen Kutter etched in blade and tang marked Sharpleigh / With decades of experience under his belt, Adolph spearheaded the growth and expansion of the Camillus knife company into what we know it as today. Made for Sears & Roebucks. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. Major Hykr is my blog site to chronicle my hiking and backpacking experiences. But your saying the WW2 knives dont have pins at all?, just peened? True, those origins are shrouded in a lot of poor occurrences but the knives stayed on to mark those eras and the good work of manufacturers in, Read More How to Tell the Age of a Marbles Knife by Yourself (5 Methods)Continue, The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. For a knife that has been around for more than 120 years now, you also know that it would have changed hands a lot of times. A Short History of the U. S. Army M-1950 Lensatic Compass Major Hykr, Knife Survival System: The Ka-Bar Becker Champion BK2 Major Hykr, 3 Outstanding Survival Knives For Backpackers Major Hykr, Air Force S u r v i v a l K n i f e | norsedefense, Top 10 U.S. Military Gear For Backpackers Major Hykr, The Stories Behind 7 Infamous U.S. Military Knives | Fishing, https://prc68.com/I/OneManLifeRaft.html#Knife, Best Survival Knife of 2022: Dont Hit The Trail Without It! touched them in anyway, as you see them is how they were in the showroom. If you have some method to receive photos, let me know and Ill forward the photos. current model. SKIP. A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. Anything you can tell me about its history? Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. J5 Forest King etched with prototype J-5 on the blade. pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. selected. The brand started using tang stamps early enough, making it easy to tell the age of a Camillus knife. Unbelievable piece. By oldjunkagain. These two knives are commonly identified as WW2 pilots knives. It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. This was one they wanted to make but never did. The grip will be made of leather in compliance with Federal Standard KK-L-165. Otherwise, it would be much easier to go through their files to find out which Ka-bar knives were made when. and steel domed rivets but with a different grind from above. WW2 CAMILLUS *Air Force* Folding Machete Survival Knife w/Guard $79.00 20 bids $12.50 shipping Ended USMC US M3 Case 1943 Fixed Blade Fighting Knife Stacked Leather Handle & Sheath $314.00 14 bids $15.49 shipping 3d 5h U.S. M-1 GARAND / HANDLE SCALES and PARTS ( See Discription ) $17.50 2 bids $13.17 shipping Ended Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. My friend and I were just talking about this specific subject, she actually is normally attempting to prove me completely wrong! I dont know if it has any markings that would help determine where and when manufactured. Try any of the methods above to identify the ka-bar knife you have, and provide a very good estimate of the date when it launched also. Step 2: Read the markings You could find either the USMC or USN MK2 marking on the knife. In the testing Western won the contract For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The back piece has also been cut-through by the blade over the years, so the metal addition was definitely needed. the markings are all the same and in the same place as the originals. It is further described as "Used in all types of emergency kits." I will send you pics if you want but the condition is probably average or less but thats a guess. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Leather washers handle with a heavy round pommel and slightly curved guard; all parts are perfectly tight with no play. This is the guard-marked type with a "plain" unmarked blade. Thanks for contacting me. That stamp is different than the one used earlier. I carried it for next 8 years on my. inch Mark 2 with a M3 pommel. I appreciate you writing this post and the rest of the site is very good. room when the company was auctioned off. I just want to know its history. Before you can regard them as a collectors item, though, you need to know that you are working with the, Read More How to Tell How Old a Barlow Knife Is by Yourself (Charts, Stamps, and More)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. There are also extensive catalogs on the knife brand, making my work easier. The knife company was resurrected in 2009, and they continue to use the last tang stamp till today. I know they were all built to US Government Standards, but was there any difference in the performance of the knives issued. During the war, they produced over 17 million knives of various type and spec for the military, more than any other knife maker. Thanks, Dwain. Im happy to see that youre entering the world of knife collection. One of the tasks that this knife was designed to accomplish was helping pilots and aircrews egress their downed aircraft or to help first responders extract them from their downed aircraft. by coffeecup Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am, Post With the help stagged Rosewood with brass pins, S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass Over the decades, this document has been updated. https://prc68.com/I/OneManLifeRaft.html#Knife. I have a MK2 copy that I bought in the US Army AAFES exchange in West Germany in the mid-1980s. If you have also been stuck on how to date a Kabar knife properly before you landed on this piece, I believe you must have all the information you need right now. These fakes are even made with materials that age fast, tricking you into thinking that the knife has indeed seen a lot of years. Hi. Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue. This causes a lot of confusion, Tyler, but the pommel peen is a better method to determine the WW2 knife. Powered by Invision Community, US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY. But you have an injury to your arm. Very nice! You are using an out of date browser. Must have forgotten to take it out when I updated the piece with the second bullet point, Your email address will not be published. What are the unique features of the Air Force Survival Knife, as outlined in the U.S. Government specifications? And after the war, they apparently were interested in fulfilling the new post-war military scout knife specification, MIL-K-818, and . What is the white dot on the handle? Force survival kit knife. markings on the knives or the special way the knife was built. So far I have not found the S card for Look at these two knives in the photo below. This knife fits in with It used to be a standard piece of gear for anyone, including backpackers, who was a serious outdoorsman and wilderness adventurers back in the 1970s and 1980s, before the Rambo movies made popular the Rambo-type survival knife. Eventually the U.S. Navy adopted the knife after failures on the Mark 1 and renamed it the U.S. Navy Mark 2. Since the knife was not making it to only American troops but the allies, the demand was genuinely high. Both have leather grips. The two sheaths while marked differently, IMHO are from the same manufacture. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. Is this unusual? You have a very scarce Camillus MARK 1. It is the SP 2, Survival Knife. As a flight equipment Marine. I have never heard it being issued in the Navy but can say without a doubt many all of us flight crew members were issued one. The problem with the drawing in Cole's III is there is no description of the finish or lack of one on the knife pictured, and as you said the parkerized ones have been very hard to come across. Sweeping grind. Knife #1 and #2 were never found in the factory collection years ago, this Not looking to sell it. Later, after service members began returning from Vietnam, the military-grade issued knives began to be seen on the market. Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. I would say its one of the best knives ever! Charlie I happen to agree with your take here. You are able to get the knife because it is dummy corded to you. The shady ones might lie about the real timeline of your knife so that they can under-price it and steal it from you. That said, I did cut down a Christmas tree (about 3-4 inches in diameter once). The serrated spine on this knife is part of the functional requirements for this knife. Interesting article. Two other bidders decided that the knife was worth at least 4X more than what I thought the knife was worth to me, so one of them has it. I've heard arguments on both sides, but as of yet I'd be uncomfortable moving the positions beyond the level of opinion. St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. US Military utility multi tool knife, no lanyard. What had occurred was corrosion issues, through the second half of 1943, there was a lot of discussion from the BuOrd and contractors to remediate the issue. No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. the knife not a saw back. The design features for this knife came about through various inputs from servicemembers, survivability researchers, and training developers. There was a spin off copy cat comp. if it was in Vietnam it must have been with some other folks not the US As originally designed it had a 6", saw back blade. Besides showing you how to date a Camillus knife properly, I also give some tips to avoid falling into the fake vintage Camillus knife scam. That sold this great knife with blade, hilt and butt blued. The Marine Corps then also renamed the knife the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife. Both products contained a second active ingredient, salicylanilide. The same is true for family businesses that have been selling knives for generations as they tend to have such literature lying around. Ken Spielvogel - The "Accumulator" of knives- "The Talking Knives". 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It has a decent leather scabbard with no hole in the tip and leather cords intact, as well as the stone with similar markings as others Ive seen. It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. We place the WW II era We have over 75,000 pieces of Boy and Girl Scout Memorabilia to sell. forces were gone by 1973. with Rosewood grips. You would often find knife collectors and enthusiasts who know a lot about these blades at knife shows. Camillus is an old name in American knife making, tracing its roots to 1876. "S" Cards and drawings, dates, etc, associated with these knives In this early production from the spring of 1943 through to the middle of 1944 is where you'll find all the variables or variations with in the Mark 1 knives. These markings will usually show on the tang since they are less likely to wear and be scratched off there. One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. Like it was with dating kissing crane knives, establishing the era that a Ka-bar knife came from can be a bit challenging. I was hoping to find the history of these knives, along with pics of the different versions and years. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). edge. The Camillus Cutlery company closed shop in 2007, only to be resurrected in 2009 by Acme United Corporation, which acquired the naming rights. Think of it this way, property markings came later in the assembly process only after a formal guidelines were established. December 15, 2017 in EDGED WEAPONS. The 7-inch knife was not military issued knife. spacer arrangements. Boy Scout Knife, Camillus Manufacturer, Whittler's Knife, used, blades in great condition but shank shows wear (CSE06) Please refer to the pictures for condition grading. The reason behind Marble selling their knife to the general public was due, in part, to pre-maturely manufacturing several thousand knife blades and parts in advance of learning who would be awarded the government contract to supply the knives to the military. Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. Also it is not cut to put on a belt. In August '61, a 5" blade was specified. Thanks for the feedback. I have a Camillus USA 5 fixed blade knife that was issued to me between 1964-1965 as a flight crew member in Patrol Squadron 8, VP-8 Anti submarine warfare squadron. You pull the knife out but drop it. Even if the Ontario Knife Company discontinues their production and the DoD phases them out of their inventories, the knife will be around for commercial purchase. The sheath welt shall be 3/8-inch-thick and 2 inches in length. Not an easy knife to resharpen and the very tip was prone to breaking off. It doesn't get any better then this S-449 A and S-449B Prototype Hunting Knives with different You will also find examples of the otherwise same knife only with the blade finished bright. If you send me your email address I can send you photos. The leather will be treated with para-nitrophenol fungicide. I havent had the opportunity to measure it as its not in my possession and never was, I simply saw it. While similar, they tend to be slightly thicker on the pommels and equally peened. If you dont have both the repro and original side by side, you might not be able to tell the difference sometimes. I have three of these babies from my flying days with the U. S. Navy. Nickel silver guards made in 1948. These are the true originals that went to the war and every other one after that was made after the war. You can jump to the following sections if youre in a hurry, but I would advise that you dont skip this part. Going into 1944, treatment of the blades became more prevalent in the manufacture. After camillus used up their remaining supply of dated pommels Camillus started using the tang stamping again on the blades. The current edition of this document is Aerospace Standard SAE-AS-8662. USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. Its nice to come across a blog every once in a while that isnt the same old rehashed material. Where neither is possible, its best to stay away. We have many investment grade pieces available. Otherwise, the serial number might not be able to do so much for you. US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY It isnt worth that much plus its actually a pretty good knife. The handle should fold out to cover the entire blade edge. Another unmarked Prototype hunter with stagged Rosewoods Today, heres all you need to know about dating your ka-bar knife as effectively as possible. 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