In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansen's house on Old Harbor Road. FLOTHE: You saw a bunch of money in his wallet? He was really sweet. All rights reserved. CINDY: It was a really dark color. If you do exactly what I tell you and don't give me any problem whatsoever, there's going to be no -- you won't get hurt in any way, shape or form," Hansen told troopers, according to news accounts at the time. CINDY: They were a dark brown. And I was just running. OK, well he was taking me from being downstairs to the airport, to go get in his plane, the seat was not in the back seat, it was in the trunk, cause he kept going from the trunk carrying things to fit in the airplane. Im not involved though. FLOTHE: Did you give him your phone number or did he write it down on something? You enjoy my work and would like to read exclusive articles, you can join my Patreon for as little as $3! Why dont we start then with what will be freshest in mind, which is the the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year. Still, knowing something and proving it are two different things, and Glenn was going to need a good deal of help solving this case. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than Like many killers he targeted transient women, they were often exotic dancers and sex workers; after hed charmed the woman of his choice and done his best to convince her of his harmlessness, Robert would talk her into leaving with him. FLOTHE: Were the handcuffs tight? FLOTHE: Make sure you look through the whole book before you decide. Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. Kids can be so cruel; while the boys his own age poked fun of and beat on him, the girls all laughed about how ugly he was. This is Installment Three of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Over by that house on Fourth, with the pickup truck camper. When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. 'We're not trying to solve the crime. FLOTHE: And about what time was that? FLOTHE: Do you remember how he was dressed on Sunday? FLOTHE: Friday morning. CINDY: Thats it. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. FLOTHE: OK. Glenn Flothe, AST. FLOTHE: OK. Hansen confessed to authorities that he had killed 17. Handle was brown. Roberts father, an overbearing man who never did care to have a decent relationship with his son, expected young Robert to be busy at work in the familys bakery whenever he wasnt in school. What was your reaction when you first read the script? CINDY: Uh huh. I personally loved it. I always wanted to do dramas. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. For only $3 you can help this site stay up and running! Over the last 30 years, Cindy has facilitated more than 100 successful workshops/work sessions, including a dozen all-day . The story of Hanson eluding police and his eventual capture became the subject of a 2013 movie, "Frozen Ground," starring John Cusack as the killer and Nicholas Cage as an Alaska state trooper. CINDY: You know, I didnt feel nothing, cause I knew I wasnt gonna live. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. Did you know the street name? FLOTHE: Was it this one here is called like a checkered grip. Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. CINDY: They look the same. How was the directing process with Scott Walker? We just want her to be identified.'. He remains active in the markets. CINDY: Looked kinda like this, with a really long barrel. FLOTHE: In your face? We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. He pulled over and I recognized him immediately. Published: 09:00 GMT, 4 September 2014 | Updated: 01:18 GMT, 4 December 2016, Alaskan serial killer Robert Hansen, who killed 17 women in the early 1970s and 80s. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. (pause) Episode 7: The Frozen Ground. Now a bad childhood doesnt excuse cold blooded murder, of course, but it can help shed light on how some people are capable of committing atrocities such as these while the majority of us are not. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. CINDY: Uh huh. He was afraid of running into friends, relatives or acquaintances of people who knew his many victims. Later the girl stated that she had immediately known that those seven other women had been murdered, and she was very determined not to become number eight! We recently landed an exclusive interview with Hudgens who talked about her reaction when she first read the script, how meeting the real Cindy Paulson helped inform her portrayal of the character, why it was important to her that audiences see Paulson as a real human being and not a stereotype, what she learned from working with experienced actors like Cage and Cusack who inspired her performance, how Walkers enthusiasm and energy kept the atmosphere on set upbeat despite the dark subject matter, and what she discovered about herself in the process of making the film. In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. CINDY: Like a convertible (inaudible), 1978 Buick Century 4-Door Sedan (This photo is NOT Hansens Buick, but it is similar). No matter what her husband did, even after hed been arrested and jailed for rape, she remained by her husbands side. I just had no idea what it would be like for me to be fully authentic at work.. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. Glenn took what the FBI had said along with Cindys account of what Robert had done to her, and he obtained a search warrant for his suspects dwelling. Thats not all he said, of course. CINDY: Yes, directly. He offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car, cause I wouldnt go to his place. CINDY: No. And brown socks. Cause I still got marks from the handcuffs on my hands. CINDY: Yeah, but then again one seat looks the same. CINDY: Yep. Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! CINDY: He said that he would like to have some company. (pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? We all have the same needs. He was right to worry, state officials later said. And he contacts you. I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. He was a natural leftie, but forced to become right handed. You know, I was supposed to meet him. And, getting to that point, its so powerful, she says. And he had cuffed one of my hands, and I was trying to get loose and he pulled out a gun. OK, that wasnt even back there. Ever since I was young, I wanted to be in a role where I could play a prostitute or a drug addict, because its nice to be able to portray someone who is so far from you, which I love. CINDY: Um hmm. You know, I was supposed to meet him. CINDY: In jeans. FLOTHE: So he takes you to the house. Have you heard anything about a sequel to Journey 2 The Mysterious Island? The woman, who was believed to in her late teens was found on April 25, 1984, near Horseshoe Lake. * I would like to talk about Roberts wife, Darla, and their two children for a minute. Uh huh. Feb 12, 2023. They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. They look at them in a very specific way. CINDY: Nope. He found an outlet for his feelings of sexual rejection and frustration through criminalityfirst via smaller displays of power like kleptomania, then graduating to arson, burning down a school bus garage in his hometown of Pocahontas, Iowa in 1960, a crime for which he served 20 months in prison. To the left is the basement. Hansen said that victim is the woman known to police as Eklutna Annie, a roughly 20-year-old brunette whose body was discovered in 1980 by electric workers repairing a power line outside Eagle River. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. Some people dont care to dive into it, but its the reason that I do this. Glenn Flothe, AST. And, uh, I called back to her the next the next day or some oth or day or two afterwards. FLOTHE: You also described the outside of the house. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. (inaudible) So its early in the morning It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. Cindy Paulson Interview with Sgt. (rustling sound as Flothe shows his gun to Cindy) Did it have that or was I mean, man, what he did to me, he had to kill me. CINDY: Well, I didnt. Kyle Hopkins is special projects editor of the Anchorage Daily News. Healthy mother-of-two, 32, collapsed and died from brain bleed while she led fitness bounce class, Taking Vitamin D each day could cut your chances of getting dementia, study claims. There are so many different genres out there to do, so many different characters to play, so many different amazing actors and directors to work with. However, she was never identified and Hansen died last month aged 75, while serving a 461-year sentence in Alaska. Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). Hansen couldn't or wouldn't help identify her. And do what he pleased with her. Your email address will not be published. Can you talk about your fun cameo in Machete Kills and what that experience was like? (Sound of pages turning. REVEALED: Roald Dahl books were neutered by woke consultants aged eight to 30 - led by 'non-binary, asexual, After one school says it is families' responsibility to police their children's social media spats, Jenni or debate this issue live on our message boards. Is there anything else that you have coming up? FLOTHE: The same person. This looks black but its actually blue. What Cindy Paulson escaped is mind-numbing. And I said, Fine, no problem.. Hudgens: Thats always been the goal. Hansen later became one of the first prisoners at the newly opened Spring Creek Correctional Center, where he had remained until this year. CINDY: Like a new Seville. I was just I was hysterical and shocked, didnt know what to do, he was chasing after me with a gun. Your email address will not be published. Alaska serial killer Robert Hansen, who killed as many as 21 women, died Thursday at an Anchorage hospital. The remains of an unidentified victim of an Alaskan serial killer who hunted down his victims as if they were game have been exhumed in a bid to establish who she was. Interesting stuff. In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. Hudgens: Honestly, its even better than I thought it was going to be. I was kinda trippin I really thought (inaudible) FLOTHE: How did you know that? "He will not be missed," said Frank Rothschild, the assistant district attorney who tried the case. CINDY: It wasnt painted. People either loved it or they hated it. Same with the two sexual assaults; I have an arrest date of December 1971, but as for the date of the crimes or whether he was arrested for both at the same time (which I assume to be the case) is unclear. Heres a link: https://www.patreon.com/Morbidnmacabre. FLOTHE: I hope not. FLOTHE: Would you recognize this metal seat if you saw it again, do you think? FLOTHE: And what color were his boots? CINDY: It was a black It turned into a cat and mouse chase. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/. Did he give you a sense of what he wanted and then get out of the way and let you follow your instincts as an actor? FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. It was super fun and really quick. My dream is to purchasing what I need to get that YouTube/patreon off the ground. Can you tell us how that all came about? Im just following my gut, and if its speaking to me, then Im doing it. 2022 Anchorage Daily News. You see, when we was driving I observed everything. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. FLOTHE: Youre pointing at Figure Number 21. Being able to take those and meditate on them myself and make her memories my own memories put me in the right head space. Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. In June 1983, one of his victims, Cindy Paulson, managed to escape his car as he loaded his plane to take her to his cabin. She described the kidnapper and his plane to authorities, but when police questioned him, he had an alibi and a gentle demeanor, so they let him go. The one person who really seemed to have believed Cindy and became determined to stop this killer was a state trooper by the name of Glenn Flothe. What made you want to do it? FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. This is Installment Three of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Eventually his buddys conscience got the better of him, and he confessed his crimes to the police; for his role, Robert was sentenced to three years incarceration. CINDY: Yeah. Learn how your comment data is processed. And he fuckin had a tan or an Army green tan coat or Army green And boots. So, that was nice. A one-stop-shop for all things video games. The Butcher Baker Minisode. I thought it was an amazing take on pop culture and where we are today and how the generation is so media-driven and see and be seen. It was just a really interesting take on college students. "Good riddance to him.". CINDY: Yep. And it was just the usual chitchat, you know, asking, you know, got in the car and asked, how you doing and so forth and whether I was looking for a good time and so forth. FLOTHE: Ah. Then they would meet. Vanessa Hudgens: I was a little bit shaken up that this guy who was well respected in the neighborhood and everyone knew as the family man could have done such atrocious and heinous crimes. It was a red scar CINDY: Because when I drove past the house there was a sign that said Dead End. Looking at picture number five, is there anything different about him as you saw him, compared to the picture, Robert Hansen Police Lineup Photo (inaudible). We must find our commonalities through sharing our experiences, spreading awareness, and caring for one another. Hudgens: I dont like talking about anything until I sign my contract, which I havent done yet, but it will happen most likely pretty soon. FLOTHE: Thank you. CINDY: Bob and then Don. It was Don, and then OK, it was Don and then after we were at his place, and he was going to take me to the airport, he was saying about Bob. I wanted everyone to see that were all the same. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? What are your thoughts on the reception to Spring Breakers? As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. Glenn Flothe, AST. Cindy Paulson was Neighborhood All-Star on July 14. It left me wanting to watch it over and over again even though Im in it. FLOTHE: There is a kind of lightish scar there on your FLOTHE: And contact Cindy at this phone number and this room number Does he tell you anything at that point, once hes got the handcuffs on FLOTHE: Did you notice anything about the sights? FLOTHE: This car that was in the driveway how new or old was this car? Growing up Robert was scrawny, he had this terrible stutter, and a super bad case of acne; all of this made him the target of bullies everywhere. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. Once theyd arrived Robert left his handcuffed victim in the back seat of his vehicle while he loaded his aircraft as per usual; Cindy waited until her captor was distracted, and when she saw her chance she jumped out of the car and ran for her life! Jack Halcombe (Nicolas Cage), who convinces her to help him bring Hansen to justice. CINDY: Yeah. Hansen didn't see his victims as human, the attorney said. Do you know your way around town well, or why did you happen to remember so well where it was at? Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. I just wanted a chance to work with Robert Rodriguez. And he was very kind and giving as an actor, as well as John. Hansens Den (Alaska State Troopers) Yes, Cindy Paulson is a real person, and as shown in the movie, she was one of the many women who were abducted by Robert Hansen. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? The Butcher Baker passed away of natural causes in August of 2014, he lived to be 75 years old. FLOTHE: OK. Do not sell or share my personal information. Employee-owned firm continues pioneering legacy of technical excellence, innovation, and talent growth, Brown and Caldwell engineers share their inspirational stories. When it was time for Hansen to go to prison, his plea agreement included a request, according to accounts at the time: He would do his time outside Alaska. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. As part of his plea deal, Hansen agreed to help authorities find the graves of the murdered women. She is known for her incredible homemade bars that she shares with riders while they enjoy the scenic views of nature along the trail. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Identifying and finding Hansens weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the Butcher, Baker. [Installment Two]. Glenn Flothe. And he had a green shirt or else it was plaid. View the profiles of professionals named "Cindy Paulson" on LinkedIn. Hudgens: Were shooting for either late December or the beginning of next year. Previously I would avoid the conversation about my significant other, she says. (crying) In the early morning of June 13th 1983, (months before the other bodies were found) Cindy Paulson appeared on the side of the road. (pause) CINDY: Yep. Vanessa Hudgens Talks THE FROZEN GROUND, Meeting the Real Cindy Paulson, MACHETE KILLS, GIMME SHELTER, and THE KITCHEN SINK. We are all the same. or debate this issue live on our message boards. Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money One of my greatest aspirations is to change the entire industry, creating a space that embraces the full range of potential and diversity that humans bring.. Hes amazing. FLOTHE: How about the glasses? And hes short. Even though we were filming something that was so heavy and tough to come to work for every day, he had this enthusiasm and energy about him that was just so upbeat and lighthearted, so that even though it was serious, you felt excited and safe. He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. 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Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. Buck teeth. After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. Cindy had been with BC for 14 years (more than 30 years to date), managing a region and leading many projects when she felt something was missing. CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. CINDY: (interrupting) It was an older car. She left the ADN in October 2018. How fitting! And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. Its nice because I can watch it from an outsiders perspective and be sucked into it, which is cool. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Maybe they were different frames. How does it compare to what you envisioned when you first read the script? CINDY: Yeah. It had a long barrel. He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. Its way down on the bottom. Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. FLOTHE: OK. This link contains non-graphic crime scene photos from Robert Hansen, it is mostly of the grave sites. "I can still see him when he got livid like that," he said. CINDY: Yep. CINDY: Cause they told me, the police officers had told me when we went to the hospital. CINDY: Same. 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