Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. I never go there very much anymore. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. I'm not often one for Schadenfreude, but I may have felt it a bit yesterday, when friend told me that they'd heard NPR announce that Krista Tippett 's "On Being" Show, which I've railed against for years, is finally ending its two-decade stint on NPR. Limn: Oh, definitely. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Definitely. The term "compassion" -- typically reserved for the saintly or the sappy -- has fallen out of touch with reality. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Tippett: Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. Come back, Its the , Limn: We literally. We touch each other. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. now even when it is ordinary. a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). Limn: Kind of true. Limn: Yeah. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. Limn: I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. Its a prose poem. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. out. When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. I think its very dangerous not to have hope. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. We prioritize busyness. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. So Im hoping. Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? Her six books of poetry include, most recently, The Hurting Kind. of the mother and the child and the father and the child , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. And I think it was that. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. All right. Renamed On Being with Krista Tippett, the show was broadcast on more than 400 stations nationwide and, as a podcast, was regularly downloaded millions of times a month. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. Krista Tippett is the creator and host of the On Being and Becoming Wise podcasts as well as curator of The Civil Conversations Project. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. I love that you do this. She founded and leads the On Being Project ( www.onbeing.org )a groundbreaking media and public life . could save the hireling and the slave? Theres shower silent and bath silent and California silent and Kentucky silent and car silent and then theres a silence that comes back, a million times bigger than me, sneaks into my bones and wails and wails and wails until I cant be quiet anymore. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. are your bones, and your bones are my bones, Tippett: Yeah, it was completely unnatural. recycling bin until you say, Man, we should really learn All year, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. No, really I was. Nick Offerman has played many great characters, most famously Ron Swanson in Parks and Recreation, and he starred more recently in an astonishing episode of The Last of Us. It makes room for all of these things that can also be It holds all the truths at once too. Articles by Krista Tippett on Muck Rack. In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. brought to its knees, clung to by someone who Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. My grandmother is 98. Limn: Yeah. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. And I think its in that category. Weve come this far, survived this much. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. My body is for me. [audience laughter] And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. It just offers more questions. You boiled it down. Where being at ease is not okay. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. Easy light storms in through the window, soft, edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels, nest rigged high in the maple. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. Theres also how I stand in the field across from the street, thats another way because Im farther from people and therefore more likely to be alone. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. What. [laughter] Sometimes its just staring out the window. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly Every week, the show hosts thoughtful . . Tippett: I love that. And then thats also the space for us to sort of walk in as a reader being like, Whats happening here? No, theres so much to enjoy. writes the word lover in a note and Im strangely, excited for the word lover to come back. But the song didnt mean anything, just a call (Always, always there is war and bombs.) the date at the top of a letter; though And they would say, I dont want to go to yoga. And I was like, Why? And they said, I just dont want anyone telling me when to breathe. [laughter] But its true. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. They are honoring and recovering the fullness of the human experience the life of the mind, the truth of the body, the wild mystery of the spirit, and our need for each other. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. into anothers green skin, So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? And its true. Thats such a wonderful question. We envision a world that is more fluent in its own humanity and thus able to rise to the great challenges and promise of this century. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. And it sounds like thunder? We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. I think we all came a little bit more alive. Yeah. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. You should take a nap.. So we have to do this another time. Rate. But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. Or, Im suffering, or Right. And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. wind? And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. At a special TEDPrize@UN, journalist Krista Tippett deconstructs the meaning of compassion through several moving stories, and proposes a new, more attainable definition for the word. I just saw her. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said. song. I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. But I want you to read it second, because what I found in Bright Dead Things, which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. Listen Download Transcript. . would happen if we decided to survive more? Yeah. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. And theres sort of an invitation at the end. You ever think you could cry so hard But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. but witnessed. The science of awe. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). Limn: Yeah. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. And it often falls apart from me. We are located on Dakota land. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. The Pause. I spoke with Ada Limn at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis. So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. It wasnt used as a tool. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising. Kalliopeia Foundation. Page 40. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or, reading skills. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. I could. What. KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: We're increasingly attentive, in our culture, to the many faces of depression and its cousin, anxiety, and we're fluent in the languages of psychology and medication.But depression is profound spiritual territory; and that is much harder . It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. July 4, 2022 9:00 am. with a new hosta under the main feeder. but I was loved each place. Once it has been witnessed And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. Tippett: Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? Before the road I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. In a political and cultural space that rewards certainty, ferments argument, and hastens closure, we nourish and resource the interplay between inner life, outer life, and life together. I mean, thats how we read. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. , its woven through everything. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. And we all have this, our childhood stories. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. No shoes and a glossy I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. We journalists, she wrote, can summon outrage in five words or less. So its a very special place. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. We honor poets and poetry as necessary companions in mustering words spacious and generous enough to reach across the mystery of ourselves and the mystery of each other. It wasnt used as a tool. Its the thing that keeps us alive. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. Supporting organizations and initiatives that uphold a sacred relationship with life on Earth. And you mentioned that when you wrote this, when was it that you wrote it? Helping to build a more just, equitable and connected America one creative act at a time. Its a prose poem. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. We were brought together in a collaboration between Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Milkweed Editions. Limn: Right. Tippett: I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. 1. And also Im so happy to be together with you in the old-fashioned flesh, which we no longer take for granted. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. Our conversations create openings. Image by Danyang Ma, All Rights Reserved. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. Limn: Yeah. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt. Yeah. But I love it. Yeah. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. Its the thing that keeps us alive. Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. Her six books of poetry include, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . 10 distinct works Similar authors. Limn: Yeah. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Shes teaching me a lesson. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. And its page six of. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. We have been in the sun. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. We live the questions. Thank you all for coming. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. I think there are things we all learned also. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. I love that you do this. 4.07 avg rating 5,187 ratings published 2016 20 editions. Theres whole books about how to breathe. Krista Tippett. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. enough of the will to go on and not go on or how Tippett: Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. The Osprey Foundation a catalyst for empowered, healthy, and fulfilled lives. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. And I want you to read it. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. even the tenacious high school band off key. I write. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. We know joy to be a life-giving, resilience-making human birthright. And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. We value the ancient power of storytelling, and we get that good stories require conflict, characters and scene. And so I have. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. [laughter]. During her 20-plus years as host of public radio's "On Being" show which aired on some 400 stations across the country Krista Tippett and her beautifully varied slate of guests . Ada Limn. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. Journalist, National Humanities Medalist, and bestselling author Krista Tippett has created a singular space for reflection and conversation in American and global public life. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats . You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. Musings and tools to take into your week. Thats page 95. Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. Deeper truths and larger stories of ourselves as societies, as a planet, as humans, that at once complicate and enliven our capacity to live with dignity and joy and wholeness. has an unsung third stanza, something brutal To be swallowed Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. Weve come this far, survived this much. So we have to do this another time. So I want to do two more, also from The Carrying. But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. Find more of her poems, along with our full collection of poetry films and readings from two decades of the show, at Experience Poetry. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and But I love it. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. This is not a problem. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Limn: Yeah. Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis hoping our team wins. I was actually born at home. Is it okay? The danger of all poets and I think artists in general, is it some moment we think we dont deserve to do this work because what does it do? Two entirely different brains. when Stephen Colbert was doing the earlier show, and he had this one skit where he said, I love breathing, I could do it all day long., And I always think about that because of course, its so ironic that we have to think about our breath. Find them at fetzer.org. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. If you live, Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and . This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. just the bottlebrush alive I mean, I do right now. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. Page 87. Unknown. Many of us were having different experiences. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. This definitely speaks to that. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. So Im hoping. and then, And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. And then to do it on top of really global grief, that is a very kind of different work because then you think, Well, who am I to look at this flower? 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