Piazza never obtained any of the drinks himself, Miller said. Sure. They aren't assholes. I posted here because I realized my opinion on the incident is different then just about anyone elses. In this attempt he managed to hit himself in the head several more times and knock himself out again. And again, we get back to taking responsibility for your actions. There's fault to go around there. This wasnt boys being boys. But until recently, that did not include the basement, where Piazza was found the next morning. Excerpts from the footage havebeen compelling: Fraternity members are shown holding Piazza down, strapping him to a backpack to keep him from turning over and choking, pouring liquids on him and trying to get him to stand so they could dress him even whenhe appeared to be unconscious. On Thursday, lawyerTheodore Simon saidduring the early morning hours before Piazza was found in the basement, he could be seen walking to a set of patio doors and closing them indicating the pledge wascoherent andfunctioning during this time, the Centre Daily Times reported. Beta Theta Pi fraternity house at Penn State. This dental device was sold to fix patients' jaws. To request removal of your name from an arrest report, submit these required items to arrestreports@patch.com. ", As NPR's Bill Chappell reported at the time, Penn State Student's Hazing Death Was No Accident, Grand Jury Says, 'Horror' Of Student's Hazing Death At Penn State Sparks Change. The footage, by all accounts, is disturbing. That previous footage allegedly depicted Piazza, severely under the influence, falling head-first down the stairs at about 11 p.m. and falling again around 5 a.m., hitting his head against a metal railing. Ok, so they are already violating the alcohol-free provision. Detectives also found a text from Becker the day after the party, saying Piazza was technically hazed into drinking that much. In another text, Becker used an expletive to say someone had argued against getting the pledges very drunk but no one listened.. Susan Snyder, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer, was at the hearing. A sketch shows the preliminary hearing in the death of Penn State student Timothy Piazza resumes in Centre County Courthouse, Bellefonte, Penn., Aug. 10, 2017. "It really is difficult to watch.". He was later I guess that is what has really skewed my opinion of this whole thing. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. His tragic death made national headlines after it was revealed that frat members didn't alert authorities until about 12 hours after he fell down the stairs. Inspire employees with compelling live and on-demand video experiences. He rolled off the couch again and curled his body, clutching his abdomen. Once he was finally able to maintain balance, he staggered toward the lobby area of the house, but fell again head first into an iron railing and landed on a stone floor, likely incurring serious head trauma. Fraternity members referred to the pledge ceremony as an "obstacle course" in text messages, according to a report on the grand jury's investigation. (CBSN). Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. Again, letting people off the hook for being stupid is a dangerous precedent, because it encourages criminals to maintain as much ignorance as possible and act stupid in front of the jury. He had ruptured spleen and was bleeding internally to the point that he was in class IV hemorrhagic shock (the worst level of shock caused by blood loss) by the time he made it to the hospital. But he didn't die because he got knock out drunk; he died because of the head trauma and later mishandling of the situation by people who had claimed to be there to look out for and support him. The prosecutors' case has not progressed evenly since May, as the accused have said Parks Miller is overreaching with her allegations. Twelve new fraternity members now face charges in the investigation. They are grieving parents looking for something to explain why their son has been killed. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. i have to say, if this were just a random person from the general public, they seriously wouldnt be this invested to make a throwaway account to make someone change their simpleton mind and then it results in you fighting to hang onto every tooth and infected hang nail (points which are not at all logical, and seriously only are one a sociopathic, guilty person would be rationalizing) Youre throwing shit to a wall and hoping it sticks, desperate for a new defense to use in court since the basement footage has now been released. Sometimes to excess. Newly recovered security camera footage from inside a Penn State fraternity house showed a pledge had been given at least 18 drinks in less than 90 minutes, investigators said Monday in announcing dozens of new charges related to the pledges death. Piazza was part of it, and idolizing him can only make this horrible situation worse. The district attorney's office in Centre County, Pennsylvania, has announced new charges in the death of Tim Piazza. I mean, that's the whole point of this subreddit. WebPenn State sophomore Tim Piazza spent his final hours dragging his bruised and bloodied body across a beer-soaked fraternity house floor, stumbling down stairs into iron railings, I just don't like the way this kids parents have acted at all. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. Fraternity members found him in the basement the next morning andcarried him back upstairs. This was men who intended to force-feed lethal amounts of alcohol into other young men. We've received your submission. Any questions or concerns? These were supposed to be his friends. Piazza appears lifeless for most of the video, rolling on the ground and holding his head in his hands. Video on a camera insidea Penn State fraternity house was erasedtwo days after a pledge died followinga night of hazing and heavy drinking, a detective testified Thursday, according to media reports. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. / CBS News. Join Vimeo One fraternity member is accused of deleting the video as police were seeking the footage. Piazza, a 19-year-old engineering student from Lebanon, New Jersey, suffered a fractured skull, shattered spleen and other injuries, likely during a series of falls inside the house. "The visions of him lying in a hospital bed battered and bruised and on life support make no sense. Each fraternity brother faces charges after Piazza had a deadly fall at the Beta Theta Pi house at Penn State back in February. I can honestly say that would not be how my mind would work. "No parent wants to see what is apparently on this videotape.". "Not going to lie, this footage is pretty tough to watch," Alexandersen tweeted, around the same time Snyder reported the courtroom was silent. At one point, the men can be seen trying to dress him, but struggling against the stiffness that had set into his limbs, grand jurors said. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. WebPiazza staggered on his feet down the hallway and turned right into the Away Bar Room. Roughly twelve hours after his initial fall, emergency services were summoned but not informed that the fall had occurred the night before. He was estimated to have had a blood-alcohol level several times the legal limit for adult drivers. Three brothers picked him up and "slammed" him back onto the couch. After investigators determined the security footage was manually deleted, they then sent the tapes to the FBI, whose agents recovered the video, authorities said in a statement. According to several reporters live-tweeting the surveillance footage from that night and early morning, it was hard to watch. Sign up for free Patch newsletters and alerts. Edit: Btw, your comment completely justifies me using a throwaway. In this state of intoxication he fell on the basement stairs of the house and was knocked unconscious. you are trying to grasp onto and shred of bullshit in a weak attempt at creating an underdog hero out of these narcissistic assholes. BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- (WNEP) -- Investigators say a Penn State fraternity pledge's slow death at a frat party was caught on cameras. I don't know, a lot of humane sensible things. PennLive.com reporter Christian Alexandersen was also at the hearing. Defense attorneys have challenged Scicchitano and claimedprosecutors are zeroing in onselect portions of the video. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. The 19-year-old staggered through the house, visibly in pain he fell head first several times. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of the fraternity and added to the already-existing charges against five others. Firstly, please read through our rules. Now it's not just the prior negligence, but further abuse of an injured, unconscious person. That's just all manner of fucked up. It could certainly be considered nansalyhbter, and it is horrible what these kids didbut can you explain how this all of a sudden became murder? The Centre County District Attorney announced on Monday that the FBI has recovered video footage from the night before 19-year-old Timothy Piazza's death. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. A fraternity is supposed to be like a second family. Reach him at: justin@cbsnews.com. Now we get into our first example of negligence, when they blew off the brother who could tell something was wrong a short time after the accident. Heated disagreements broke out while Parks Miller shared hours of evidence with the court, including surveillance video from cameras set up around the frat house. Not calling 911 immediately is what changed that story, from a crazy night where he drank too much and a lesson for future endeavors to his death. Scicchitano testified in court that Piazza "looked like a corpse" the morning after the fall. 2023 Vimeo.com, Inc. All rights reserved. According to reporters at the hearing, Scicchitano said the fraternity brothers were acting like "drill sergeants" and yelling at the pledges to drink. WebOne of the 18 Beta Theta Pi members charged with the Feb. 4 death of 19-year-old Tim Piazza removed everything from the basement camera two days after his alcohol-related 7:45 p.m. Piazza was seen on his hands and knees in Its unclear whether the camera was in a position to capture one of Piazzas several falls during a night of drinking. As NPR's Bill Chappell reported at the time, charges were pressed against 18 members of the fraternity, including eight who were charged with involuntary manslaughter. Attorney Ted Simon asked Scicchitano if he had a chance to identify and interview the girl, as well as a second girl spotted on the stairs. Contributing: The Associated Press, John Bacon, USA TODAY. WebDeleted surveillance video from inside a Penn State fraternity house recovered by prosecutors has led to new charges. DiBileo and 15 other fraternity brothers spent over 10 hours in court listening to evidence. I cannot stress this enough. The grand jury document referenced surveillance footage other than the recently recovered video. The next morning at 10am (not a moment before), a search for Piazza led brothers to the basement where Not only have you accused me if being involved in this or something like this, you have decided I am a sociopath. No one called for help until late the next morning, and the New Jersey native died Feb. 4. "I believe the charges will be bound over. In June, Piazza family attorney Tom Kline told CBS News the family hasn't decided whether they'll be in the courtroom when the surveillance videos are played. Ok, you are right. "This is about Tim Piazza, and Tim Piazza died, and there should be an absolute reverence in that courtroom," said Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller. And the frat basically did everything they could to ignore him, until they couldn't, at which point they tried to cover up what they did. Build a site and generate income from purchases, subscriptions, and courses. Again, these are people who WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM BEING IN THAT CONDITION who were more concerned about the possible consequences for themselves than saving the life of a badly injured pledge. 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I just wanted to have a conversation. Piazza eventually staggered to the basement where he fell down a flight of stairs. He is estimated to have had a blood alcohol content (BAC) of nearly .40 on the night of the hazing incident. I can only imagine the anguish of being a parent, and losing your child this way. (Patrick Carns/Patrick Carns). This story has been shared 102,156 times. I just can't call them evil. He's black out drunk and stumbling around, and he's just left alone? Her successor Bernie Cantorna has not said whether or not he intends to proceed with the prosecution.". We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. I'm pissed at these guys, and I've got no skin in the game. "As it relates to my client, we didn't hear a lot. Feel free to message us. Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. Power your marketing strategy with perfectly branded videos to drive better ROI. from The footage was collected by 12 cameras positioned throughout the house, the Inquirer reported. No average person would sit there, make the strange. personal nit picky digs that you were, trying to justify their blatant disregard for a humans life. He was carried to a couch, where surveillance cameras captured the formation of a large and obvious bruise on his left abdomen. No defendants have entered pleas at this time. His parents saying he was perfect, and making it sound like he was kidnapped and tortured is misleading, and could lead to unfair punishments for a number of kids who made a horrible mistake. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do? That's illegal. Tim Piazza may have been somewhat complicit in the hazing. Penn State's former Beta Theta Pi fraternity house now sits empty. "His eyes were closed. Investigators say the frat brothers waited 12 hours to call 911. More:16 students face judge in Penn State hazing death of Timothy Piazza, More:'He looked like a corpse': Video shown of Penn State pledge after fatal injuries. I see the frat members as stupid, not evil. There was no premeditation, no joy in his suffering, I see more evil in the dad who wants to take revenge on the men in the fraternity to be honest. Not every tragedy is a crime, said Ems lawyer, Bill Brennan. Graphic video footage of the night Piazza Obviously the situation is horrible, but kids need to understand they are responsible for their actions. "It's time to man up, fellas, and be held accountable for your actions," Piazza's father, James, told reporters, his voice cracking. From trying to beat him awake, to abandoning him, to covering up the evidence, everything about this shows criminal negligence. First published on November 13, 2017 / 12:53 PM. He later tried once more to descend the basement stairs, but fell down again, and remained at the base of the stairs until several of the fraternity brothers discovered him several hours later behind the bar in the basement, cold and breathing rapidly. Surveillance video played in court reportedly shows Piazza repeatedly falling, passing out and tumbling head-first down a flight of stairs, and no one called 911 for hours. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. Updated on: November 13, 2017 / 2:58 PM After 40 minutes of debating on what the next step should be, the conclusion was made that Piazza's injuries were indeed serious, and that he would require medical attention. In partnership with "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. Even if they aren't and are just held to the standard of roommates look at the whole situation. He drank an incredibly high amount of alcohol and fell down the basement stairs and was unconscious. "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. WebVideo deleted from Penn State fraternity camera in Timothy Piazza case, police say Susan Miller USA TODAY 0:00 1:58 Video on a camera inside a Penn State fraternity house Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. If you don't think 18-21 year olds should be legally responsible for their actions, fine, but we're also going to have to take away their rights to vote, drive, hold a job, etc. He continued to stand up only to repeatedly fall back down. You know what, if somebody falls down a flight of stairs because they're blackout drunk, you should probably make sure that nothing bad happens to him. Meanwhile, tensions were high in the courtroom Thursday, with Centre County District Attorney Stacey Parks Miller turning her back on Judge Allen Sinclair to speak directly to the courtroom gallery, Philly.com reports. The results of an investigation into surveillance video of the fraternity Maybe he didn't need to go to an event where he knew there would be drinking, but it's doubtful he expected to be forced to drink as much as he was or that he could have possibly been making rational decisions a few drinks in. He had to have more than half his skull removed to relieve the massive pressure built up from all those head injuries. Dr. Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen injuries. And Ive had it with you, too.. Gabe Gutierrez, an NBC News correspondent, said via Twitter that the courtroom was silent as prosecutors played video of Piazza dying. Clearly, he is dead weight." However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. On the night of February 2, 2017, while undergoing hazing rituals for the fraternity, Piazza, on an essentially empty stomach, drank large amounts of alcohol in a short time as part of an obstacle course called "The Gauntlet", which required each pledge to drink from a bottle of vodka, drink a beer, and finally drink from a bag of wine. Police have said Piazza fell head first down 15 basement steps at around 11 p.m. on the night of Feb. 2, but no one called 911 until the next morning. In fact, on video, Tim Piazza does not obtain his own alcohol at any point rather, every drink consumed was provided to him by a fraternity brother, she said. In court, some of the fraternity brothers appeared distressed while watching the videos. Piazza "was a happy and caring human being" who "was killed at the hands of those he was seeking friendship from," his father said, according to ABC News. Pledges showed signs of intoxication, and Piazza had to be helped to a couch. Waiting for your permission to load facebook comments. Any one of these members could have called for help. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. Would you sue or press charges? Tim would be alive today if they didn't care more about themselves more. WebPiazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. 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